goldendoodle controversy

Buyer beware. What are hybrid dogs exactly? There is NO breed standard for this dog recognized by any kennel club. HOWEVER, they were being bred on purpose to create a new breed that would fit all that they needed. My princess baby has no price tag, because she's the very best thing that happened to me in life. Just as when searching for purebred dogs, perspective designer dog owners should look for ethical breeders who health test both parent breeds to lower the chances for heritable conditions from being passed on. "One BIG problem with "hybrids" or purposely breeding mutts is that GOOD breeders of ANY breed that I know would NEVER let a well bred dog go on an open contract (not required to be spayed or neutered) to be purposely bred to make mutts-so the original gene pool of any so called "hybrids" has got to be initially compromised. Anyone with a pregnant dog can call themselves a breeder and be bound only by current state and local laws and ordinances. Call them mutts. I was foolish enough to get one and back then these were called "designer dogs.". This woman - while concurring with the conclusion that backyard breeders had taken off with the Labradoodle and Goldendoodle in various degrees of ethical standards - realized that a need for an intuitive service dog which had allergy-friendly qualities existed, but simply had to be bred using the highest standards. I would never adopt from a breeder! The so-called pure breeds can vary from the standard as well. This sales pitch brings in lots of interest because people think they are dealing with some sort of wonder dog. Its not fair on the dog or the owner! As our family began to consider the possibility of a puppy, we started with "hypo-allergenic" at the top of our list, but after some thoughtful research found out that there isn't such a thing, as was collaborated here. We love Barney and he's got real character but truth is there's no difference between the "Mutt" and the purebred healthwise! Their genetics needs opening up. Let's face it: unethical breeders use the term to imply hybrid vigor so the term is wide spread, what will people therefore look up to learn more about these dogs? On nothing more then an opinion. Our Goldendoodle is 6 months old.. her 'breeder' was less than impressive, but I think we got very lucky she didn't leave mum til she was 14 weeks old and she is THE most biddable, gentle natured hound I have ever met. The article's title is clear that it's mostly about unethical breeders. It seems that most of them talk about their dogs with a certain degree of reverence, as if it was something special. her first veterinarian said that she was not one and a half years old as the rescue had told us but she was maybe eight months. For instance, the English bulldog has a long list of health problems that can be quite frightening and impressive to deal with. A problem with hybrid dogs is that they often become quite popular, and when a dog gets very popular, the wrong types of breeders get involved. Skunkbear, I deeply agree, the big point is "if you breed them right". To be more specific, we are not talking about hybrids derived from crossing different species here; those are called interspecific hybrids, but about intraspecific hybrids just like Mendel's hybrid peas, known as F1 hybrids. Any dog in this world can have bad hip and other conditions..like sards.do you exay peoples hips.so muchs crap. Alexadry, loved this article, very helpful and insightful! In this article, we will take a glimpse into the interesting world of canine genetics, see why some designer dogs are so costly, and tackle studies on hybrid vigor. Why are they called 'hybrids' when every other dog breed was created the same way? And they dont usually breed the females more than 2 or 3 times. Who would have know that it would have turned into such a craze. Seriously, they always give me a heart attack when it's hot outside and they go out to just potty and come back snorting and choking and take so long to recover from the panting. I would sue anyone who went against what is in their contract. I would be willing to bet that there's likely less issues with the golden doodle than with the purebred standard poodle? Lovable friendly healthy! It's almost impossible to find a purebred Malamute over 10 & it's very rare to find a Siberian over 12. (I started crossing them because the show breeders were breeding the working traits out of the breed, which made finding out crosses very difficult.). Appreantally a pure breed seller is just pissed that now more people are enjoying hybrids over pure breeds. Dobebcmom, and your sources to back up your statement that hybrids are dogs crossed with wolves or coyotes are? The truth is, no dog is totally hypoallergenic as the causes of allergies may vary from one person and another. So what are we all supposed to do adopt a pitbull mix because that is all that is left in the shelters. These dogs can be just as unique as the expensive designer dogs with cutesie names advertised in the newspaper. But my online search shows. Cookie is the most Loved dog in this world! All healthy tested parents, that what we need, legislation that says all dogs are health tested before breeding whether pure or mixed breed. When designer dogs first started cropping up here in my neck of the woods, I heard a vet tell one of her techs, "Yeah, the shelters are full of designer dogs," implying that they were just what most people call mutts. There is so much search for hypoallergenic breeds and non-shedding dogs nowadays that people want to make fast money. Thank you for writing this article! Adrienne Farricelli (author) on November 04, 2018: Dear Epic Explorer, before calling the article BS, please read carefully. Part toy poodle and shih tzu and both breeds can have sebaceous cyst which came out in my dog. ", Your reference to the Thomas P. Bellumori study is incredibly misleading- the study investigated 23 total heritable disorders and while 13 did not have an increase in incidence among purebreds, TEN DID. NO dog over 8 or 10 at most should ever be bred on purpose. Wally Conron, Creator of the Labradoodle. You will be amazed. She is more worthy to me than the most expensive multi-title champion dog in world. As a sled dog musher and protection dog trainer & reputable breeder of over 20 years I am going to have to call BS on this article! There were only a few exceptions where it was actually found that some hereditary conditions remain isolated to specific breeds, but other than that, the superior health benefits claimed by breeders seem to be a myth. Perhaps, but not in the way that some unethical breeders portray it. Just happens to be an aussiedoodle. I was wondering about this when I met a Goldendoodle who suffered from major health issues and had several temperament issues on top of all that. There are wonderful hybrid breeders who have health test and temperament test on their purebred breeding stock before allowing them to mate. Acknowledge that the breeders of these cross-bred dogs typically have less than stellar examples of the purebred parents, because the good ones, carefully bred by serious breeders, most of whom have devoted years of their lives to breeding healthy, temperamentally sound, correct dogs of their chosen breed, and are not likely to sell their best quality dogs (or any dog, really) to someone who wants to use that dog to produce mutts. Yes, there are responsible breeders of cross-bred dogs - some of whom are really trying to gain acceptance for a new breed. Of course, there are good ones and bad ones. It made me feel guilty for even considering a designer dogBUT, in some roundabout way, I was linked to a blog and through that blog I found an incredible woman in Australia. ), the point of this article comes loud and clear: buyer beware! Mixed breeds are not hybrids - they are mixed breeds and do not have any extra vigour, they are not necessarily hypoallergenic and they do not warrant the exorbitant prices charged by unethical people who lie about what they are producing. - may be more expensive than the so-called designer dogs, but many well-bred purebreds typically cost $1000 or less, while most something-doodles are at least $1500 in the northeast. It won't likely be mutts and it won't likely be mixed breed. Statistically speaking 'mutts' of all types are healthier and live longer lives. It's a known fact that the introduction of another breed or even a different line of the same breed adds genetic variety, which adds vitality. She knows when it's time to go out when it's time to eat and when it's time to get into bed with Mommy and Daddy. Adrienne Farricelli (author) on May 02, 2019: Eeek, Holly I never realized that Epic Explorer made such a claim for some reason I thought it was an 18 month old and 16 month old dog.. Now that I re-read the post I see it where it is claimed "I have a 18 year old hybrid female & a 16 year male who just fathered a litter of pups last spring." Mutt=offspring of two dogs of different breeds. Therefore, you'll have to expect to see any combination of characteristics found in either of the parent breeds. If someone were to break in the house, she would probably lead them to the jewels, money and food of course! and most things required by the standard of the breed you have chosen. Wally Conron, the person who created the first labradoodle by breeding a Lab with a Poodle in his quest for finding the perfect guide dog for a woman in Hawaii whose husband was allergic to dogs, feels somewhat responsible for the spread of "Frankenstein" designer dogs with horrible temperaments and a plethora of health issues. Every year the winning team in both races are a type of dog(not a breed) called the Alaskan Husky. So with that many choices, if you like a certain purebred dog, but it's too large or active, some hybrids may offer the looks of that breed but with the advantage of coming in a smaller package or coming with a calmer disposition--even though this isn't always the rule as we have seen how traits can be quite unpredictable! It's comparing apples to oranges. In addition I don't do genetic tests on sled dog breeds, because they only get bred once they have proven themselves in harness. Stephen J Parkin from Pine Grove, Nova Scotia, Canada on July 18, 2015: I think everything said here is true. I cross breed Alaskan Malamutes with Siberian Huskies, because it produces a better sled dog every time. It's almost as if these dogs are crafted with a cookie-cutter, which roughly produces dogs with similar traits. The same can be said of many brachycephalic dog breeds with smudged-in faces. But isn't this ultimately true of all dogs? And for someone wanting a pet? They may suffer from heritable health conditions passed down from the parent breeds. I read her book, her website, and simply was drawn to her as a loving human being whose passion for animals made me realize I couldn't get a dog anywhere else. Nevertheless, I have never asked $2-3,000 for a puppy! I don't breed dogs currently, but I breed plants and do crosses all the times. I don't see much difference between all these dogs. They breed hybrids in the same way they would breed for purebreds. Instead of breeding out problems, clueless and unscrupulous breeders are breeding them in. coat is an issue because I never owned a dog with a curly coat.. Hybrids aren't necessarily badly bred. My dog was adopted as a labradoodle. Even after I explain the benefits of the mix and they see that the dogs are beautiful they can't seem to get past the programming that they have received that only 'backyard breeders', breeding junk dogs mix breeds. Farkle, can I give you a hug? I have not decided on and purchased any dog yet. All dogs have their problems so I wouldn't pay too much attention to the article. Because hybrid dogs lack reliable traits and they're not a breed, there's no official breed standard for them. It's about backyard breeders breeding with no knowledge and not having the decency of health testing. ". Well, let's face it: studies sometimes miss important aspects, and we need to admit that some purebred dog breeds are plagued with several health disorders that can be quite scary. These traits are what make dog breeds so valuable to us; they come with that special look we have enjoyed throughout the years. For breeders, there is no licensure, minimum competency standards, continuing education credits, or other checks and balances. There are chances that some designer dogs we see today may get recognized one day as a true breed if in the right hands of knowledgeable breeders. If the author would have mentioned mutt or crossbred, then there would be oodles of people complaining about those terms. These aren't handbags they are animals and more care needs to be taken by breeders and consumers to ensure the health of pets. Best of all, when adopting, what you see is generally what you get as the chances for major "guesswork" are practically eliminated. "A new study by researchers at the University of California, Davis, indicates that mixed breeds dont necessarily have an advantage when it comes to inherited canine disorders.". Researchers looked at some 90,000 medical records of dogs seen between 1995 and 2010 and 27,254 dogs presented with at least one of 24 genetic conditions. And why should everyone have shelter dogs? Some breeds - often large breeds who require that the breeder have more resources (land to exercise the dogs, food, etc.) If you fell in love with hybrid dogs or are looking for an eye-catching dog that'll make heads turn without costing a fortune, consider that you can often find many hybrids at the shelter for a fraction of the cost. Yes, this one is very different.. And we Love his personality. Mixed breed dogs are not hybrids. Starting as a puppy, 5 000$ dollars in vet bills when she bought it from what she still perceives as a "reputable breeder" when it was a 2 months old puppy. If we think about it, in the old days, somewhere along the lines, dogs with desirable traits were matched and bred repeatedly over the years, and that has led to the purebred dogs we see today. Designer dogs are actually the original purebreds bred for a purpose such as Poodles being bred to be water retrievers for fowl. The dogs shouldn't have to suffer. For every perfect one, you're going to find a lot of crazy ones. Sounds to me like you are as the article described only looking to line your pockets!! I am freight musher which is very different than racing(for those who don't know) so I don't breed for speed. I have bred and exhibited purebred dogs for 40+ years and I have had some really good ones that won a lot. A mature dog, with a good pedigree and a winning record may be in the thousands of dollars, if one would even sell such a dog. The issues with poorly bred Goldendoodles is real, ask any trainer and they will tell you they have one point met the Goldendoodle with terrible temperament. If you read well, I even make claims that go against the study saying that there are purebred dogs that have serious issues that should be bred out by outcrossing. The mixes now are just that, mixes. So in case you haven't read the whole article, you likely missed the conclusion " Knowledge is power, so look for healthy specimens bred by responsible breeders willing to health test, breed for good temperaments, give health guarantees and take back puppies if there should ever be any problems. (It's worth noting that one had an increased incidence in mutts.). Lawrence Hebb from Hamilton, New Zealand on August 01, 2015: Our dog Barney us a purebred Cairn Terrier. I hear stories of them dropping dead from going on walks. and like what the pups look like, and buy one, and on it goes. It's a nice story, but when you tell it, geneticists laugh," claims Stanley Coren, professor and author of the book 'Why do Dogs Have Wet Noses?". A dog with dysplastic hips for example will show that early in their sledding career, before they reach 2 years of age(breeding age)Fortunately with the hybrids, joint issues are virtually nonexistent, but I can't say that for the purebreds. That purebred dogs are superior, which generally speaking, nothing could be further from the truth. I also do boarding so I have met my fair share of them. Thanks for stopping by Bob, your insights are always appreciated, thanks for the votes up. Hybrids are also often portrayed as hypoallergenic, but allergies can be caused by many other things than fur, and because hybrids are like wild cards genetically, their non-shedding coat qualities cannot be reliably predicted. I'm not here to advertise for her, despite my shining endorsement of her hard work. Language defines the argument. I can also tell you that my Rottweiler/Boerboel hybrids are far superior to purebred Rottweilers for protection. Your article implies that these cross-bred dogs, while pricey, cost less than a well-bred purebred. Here is some food for thought. Due diligence is always a must. Adrienne is a certified dog trainer and former veterinarian assistant who partners with some of the best veterinarians worldwide. I got my for free. I have met wonderful hybrids and not-so-wonderful purebreds. Before that we had whatever mutt was in need of a home. Yes, you can find code-of-ethics breeders even for hybrids!". According to a large, five-year-old study conducted by Thomas P. Bellumori et al. Look it up in a scientific book or read the comments before you, we learn something new every day, don't we? When one breeds for just one trait, all the rest goes to the backburner and this leads to health and temperament issues. 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