It's sad that a lot of people's perception of what a breed should look like is what is reflected in show dogs. He learned a ton of hand signals, worked cattle, and was known for figuring out things he shouldnt have. Katilea, I never seen any collies advertised as 'pet lines' or 'easier to handle than working bred' or anything though? If you want to ask questions about how to work with your dog with these triggers, I'm sure you'll find people more than willing to offer assistance. changes the breed in ways that make it unsuitable for its original purpose. Personally, I feel that it all depends on the dog and the owner. . The coat of a show line Border requires daily brushing and regular grooming. The Boards are definitely for all owners of border collies and people interested in them. Many working Border owners feed their pets red meat or chicken, never lamb or sheep, while show-line Borders may benefit from a fish-based diet for healthier skin and coat. I know her litter brother and a half brother and they are the same. I would think you could rather easily find someone there to assist you in training. You know, the one dog that will forever be the best one in your life. Longer head, lean body, just gorgeous. She looks nothing like the Goldens in a show ring. Do you work the dogs or have them as pets or for sports? Two of my original 'gang of five' were from working lines, one being fully ISDS registered. Liz is right. By For instance, working-line Border Collies do not require frequent grooming, but they do require copious amounts of exercise and mental stimulation. While weighing in with quite a hefty price tag, show-quality Borders will usually come with registration papers, proof of a superior lineage, and breeding rights for the purchaser. I don't want a fight, I just want honest opinions on the two different types BCs come in. Never saw such a despondent face as when she chased a frisbee and tripped face first into a mud puddle. I agree with this completely, especially when it comes to border collies and the hunting breeds like labs and goldens and retrievers. There are, of course, exceptions to this, such as is the case with inbreeding. Share your pictures, videos, stories, training tips, etc. They are 6 and 4. The number of generations between current ISDS dogs and those founding dogs is what determines their closeness. Thanks Ann. They chose this option because they don't want a dog which struggles with an off switch and less neurotic. I have a working bred male who is perfectly mellow when out on leash. I recently read an article that made me very angry. Generally two of the ring stewards will assist the judge with this exercise by acting as "posts", standing 8 feet apart, that the team walks around to form the loops of the figure 8. This was the difference between my sheltie and my border too. As we pass many cars and them us and he's not reacting to every single one like that! It's not for example something like cats in general as he can walk past a cat on his left side that he hasn't seen (if it doesn't move) but if it's on other side of road and darts fast (like across the road) that will trigger the reaction, as I feel its more the motion of something zipping through his right peripheral field rather than it being specifically a car, a cat etc. With this type of dog, I would be looking for a confident, easy going adult who was at least 2 y/o when I looked to add another dog. He seems to have left the forum. Such a nice mix of get up and go and adorable house lump. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Anyone else got one of each? ^^ Yes, that is a good place to find a pet border collie without sacrificing the ethical concern for appropriate breeding. I wonder how you could go about finding out if that is the case? I know some people who have show line BC's to compete in agility with. Most breeds shown in the ACK are ruined or "modified" in some way that I find reprehensible. The stlye you see in mondern Border Collies is from Wiston Cap. If you look at ISDS working BCs and the founders of the types (Wiston Cap type, Northumbrian Type, the Nap type and the Herdsman's Tommy type), working BCs for the most part are extremely close in style and type to their ancestors. I probably read them when I first joined but I can't remember now, sorry I thought you were a group for ALL Border Collie owners not just working dogs. Clear editor. I have had a number of Border Collies (and Australian Shepherds), all working-bred, and none were car chasers or bike chasers or jogger chasers, and they all worked livestock on our farm. Same with American Show Line GSDs vs European working line GSDs. I highly oppose, being the owner of a show-line Border Collie, that is very smart, a hard worker, and only 10 monthe old. Very calm and steady, no hyperness - and built like a hard-muscled, deep-chested, running, hunting, bird-fetching machine. We just seem to getting a few odd inconsistent behaviours recently since my old dog passed away and I'm not sure whether its a lack of confidence on his part due to loss of his companion whose being here since he arrived at 8 weeks old and helped train him up, something maybe adopting an older calmer companion may help with or maybe he's experiencing sight issues that would also explain some puzzling reactions to things he previously didn't react that way to. The show line one was head to toe in mud. I have 2 pretty drive-y dogs with big personalities (one BC, one Pap) and they are just now the kind of calm, reliable, off lead dogs I want (able to recall off a cat running 3 inches in front of their nose, able to swim at a beach where other dogs and people are walking around and ignore them, able to be calm and relaxed in exciting places). Each dog is a distinct individual.Lack of working ability just means they don't want to work livestock. Yes, there may be a difference in the personality of the working line and show line border collies. As its own breed, the Border Collie wasnt officially recognized by the American Kennel Club until 1995. A short-haired working Border, whether sporting a coarse or soft coat, will require the very basics when it comes to grooming (a simple nail trim, monthly bath, and occasional brushing will suffice) but will require much more effort for physical and mental stimulation. You want to look for parents that are calm, thoughtful dogs, ask around, finding a good border collie in the UK is a much easier proposition than in the US where there is a very high percentage of dogs bred that not intended to be working dogs. Press J to jump to the feed. I have a show line BC and she's smart as a whip but doesn't have the manic drive of the WL. There are even differences of personality and intensity within working lines and even a litter of pups. Again it seemed to have been under control before but seems more nervous again lately, whether its because my other dog is no longer with us for him to use as a guide, or he's experienced a decline in sight I'm not sure but I will be taking him for another eye test to rule that out.I do think having a companion would help him but would prefer if I did go with another collie it didn't have that high prey drive instinct and felt one like the ladies dog that didn't react to cars etc might give him confidence walking alongside him. 'Tommee's opinions would have been useful here. I brought home my first working bred Border Collie this weekend; a trained adult. I think it sounds like a show collie could fit with me well. I have working bred collie he's extremely intelligent can learn new jobs after one attempt etc but his herding/prey drive is very strong even now at 4 years old (despite the fact he's never worked sheep) so when we're out walking he has to be on lead and have to be one step ahead of him for triggers like noisy cars/motorbikes racing past that will trigger his stalk/chase instinct. The philosophy of the forum is that it doesn't condone breeding for anything other than working ability. As Roxanne said, check the archives because there are many references to this particular problem, with advice on how to avoid it in the first place and how to deal with it once it's been established. Your previous content has been restored. A home with young children may not be as suitable for a Border, given that their hyper energy may not be welcomed around sleeping babies or easily frightened small children. Any dog, regardless of the breed or pedigree, is bound to require a generous amount of care on the part of its handler: whether in relation to diet, exercise, and overall healthcare or to grooming and mental stimulation. Jealous of that sleek, manageable coat. , You could let the show line romp too ya know. . My BC/lab mix is built just like your working line, shes very slender(28 lbs) and basically lives in the creek. IMO though if you look at working types they have changed very little (depending on what they are being bred for, cattle, sheep, flat fields, rolling hills, etc). Why you Should Get the Collie Instead of the Doberman Pinscher. I had one of each at the same time. This article will attempt to settle the debate on the differences between the working-line border collie and the show-line border collie. While the Border Collie has been known to make an excellent house pet for the active owner, these slim, athletic dogs were initially bred to work long days on family farms, herding sheep and protecting the household. As with many breeds, the primary (and most obvious) differential between these two lines is the dogs physique. In my view, there's no such thing as "pet lines" of border collies. Some individual dogs are less excitable. Border collies today even have a huge amount of variety in their looks, unless we are talking show BCs of course. > So really it all depends on what you want to do with your dog. I really like the looks of the Nuthumbrian type, but that's just going off looks. Working Borders, for instance, require a much larger caloric intake than a show-line due to the substantial difference in calories burned per day. Border Collies of either line are very playful and likely to keep any family on their toes. Paste as plain text instead, Show Borders, in comparison, are bred primarily for their looks, though many breeders place significant importance on producing a Border who possesses a desire to please and a trainability that working line Borders may not be capable of. He is one of the most influential border collies sire. There have actually been studies done that prove that Australian show lines and American Working Lines are as genetically different as two entirely different breeds. You find "pet line" BCs when a working BC breeder decides that a certain dog/pup just isn't cut out for herding, and places him/her in a "pet" home. Your link has been automatically embedded. Even a dog who has bad habits is able to change with help of a good trainer for the human and consistency on your part. The figure 8 exercise requires the team to heel in a figure 8 pattern either on or off leash. This is what makes the breed what it is, and breeding for pets, sports, conformation showing, etc. And German shepherd dogs. At the moment I have 3 border collies in my house all from different backgrounds: The house guest is a pet/sports bred dog who is insane and horribly motion reactive, My dog who is a rescue who came from a backyard farm breeding in Pensylvannia who is mildly reactive to motion, he has particular hatred of large diesel trucks with a certain pitch. Google image searches for both tell me that working line is what I always called a border collie, and show line is only an upgrade from a poodle. We welcome all border collies and mixes too! She's absolutely beautiful. Wow! I explain it and they seem quite surprised. Borders are highly adaptable to any environment, making them great travel companions, and they will generally interact well with other pets in the household. In my agility club in Spain we have 5 puppies under 9 months, 2 are UK bred working dogs the other 3 are either show or sports bred, the 2 working bred are the calmest. As a pet they are much easier to live with because they aren't doing agility daily than working lines. Most people guess golden when they see her but ask why her coat is so short and why she is so lean. Like Denise said, it is about training. I can't imagine that a "Barbie Collie" would be any easier to handle. I would think if a sheep producer can walk through a field of sheep with his dog off lead then most dogs can be taught to do the same. The Show and Sporter Collie are very beautiful, and I'm sure have their own perks to owning them, but they are not the same, and I would not want to own one, again, because the show line I had was NOT something that should be repeated. I saw a young man the other day with a German Shorthair that was freaking gorgeous. ..and how much difference is there in there temperaments? 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